In this bonus episode we find Paul Swanson and Brie Stoner in dialogue without Richard Rohr. Recorded in the Fall 2019, Richard had to jettison to a meeting in Santa Fe and encouraged Brie and Paul to record a conversation without him on relationships, work, and parenting within the lens of the Universal Christ. This episode draws from the concrete experiences of Brie and Paul as they seek to live out the values of the Universal Christ within the reality of precocious kids, demanding work, and meaningful committed relationships.

Visit universalchrist.org to learn more about the core themes of Richard’s book, The Universal Christ: How a Forgotten Reality Can Change Everything We See, Hope For, and Believe