In this bonus episode, Living School Faculty James (Jim) Finley and Kirsten Oates join Richard Rohr and Paul Swanson (Brie sadly wasn’t there!) in conversation about the contemplative journey, what it was like to be guided by Thomas Merton, Jim’s trauma work, and their new podcast with the CAC, Turning to the Mystics.

Visit universalchrist.org to learn more about the core themes of Richard’s book, The Universal Christ: How a Forgotten Reality Can Change Everything We See, Hope For, and Believe